Minutes Parking Advisory Committee Meeting 6:00 pm April 27, 2023 City Council Chambers Present: Councillor Khan, Councillor Shand, Andy Port, Andrew Levine, Sgt. Gavin, Councillor McCauley, Kathleen Sullivan, JT Chamberlain, Richard B. Jones Agenda: Ch. 13-166 Anti-Shuffling Municipal Fees – Permits and Rates Ch. 13-180 Street Permits Ch. 13-183 Overnight Parking The following is a transcript of the meeting. 1 00:00:21.712 --> 00:00:22.482 And 2 00:00:29.972 --> 00:00:43.772 Richard Jones: the one that deals with the residential parking zones. 3 00:00:43.852 --> 00:00:49.722 Richard Jones: It's in there at the bottom of the first page. It says we didn't want to describe it all. 4 00:00:50.102 --> 00:01:03.522 Richard Jones: I'm just that. I understand it's a it's just referencing the prior. It would be okay, but it's not captured in this amendment. It's just referencing the prior. It would be okay. I just want to make sure we're not. 5 00:01:09.812 --> 00:01:15.392 Richard Jones: So let me start. 6 00:01:17.022 --> 00:01:18.462 Richard Jones: Are you okay. 7 00:01:24.862 --> 00:01:27.532 Richard Jones: Yeah. Yeah. 8 00:01:31.792 --> 00:01:34.932 Richard Jones: Yeah. 9 00:01:35.292 --> 00:01:39.112 Richard Jones: So 10 00:01:42.192 --> 00:01:43.412 Richard Jones: not here. 11 00:01:52.662 --> 00:01:56.572 Richard Jones: She's a 12 00:02:05.062 --> 00:02:12.952 Richard Jones: nice stuff. Me, if you can hear me. We are waiting for one more person. 13 00:02:14.292 --> 00:02:15.402 Richard Jones: And I: 14 00:02:15.702 --> 00:02:16.322 Stephanie Niketic: Okay. 15 00:02:23.262 --> 00:02:23.992 Richard Jones: there. 16 00:02:26.602 --> 00:02:30.122 Richard Jones: that's good. Oh. 17 00:02:56.412 --> 00:03:05.892 Richard Jones: yeah, I asked for it. And then I 18 00:03:06.242 --> 00:03:20.712 Richard Jones: It was a meeting. Even now I don't get an email about this. It just shows up on that. 19 00:03:21.102 --> 00:03:37.352 Richard Jones: It's just you would ask for the meeting. Yeah. So the meeting. Yeah, this one is not not very well. So even this we didn't get anything, but I guess it Just 20 00:03:37.462 --> 00:03:38.782 Richard Jones: I think you let me know. 21 00:03:38.942 --> 00:03:39.752 Well. 22 00:03:46.422 --> 00:03:50.402 Richard Jones: okay. So if I might. 23 00:03:50.552 --> 00:04:04.032 Richard Jones: I'm gonna bring this meeting to a start. It is the 24 00:04:04.162 --> 00:04:13.162 Richard Jones: Andy for Richard Jones. That's 4 people on the 25 00:04:16.212 --> 00:04:19.342 Richard Jones: perfect. So 26 00:04:22.392 --> 00:04:23.442 Richard Jones: by more. 27 00:04:24.872 --> 00:04:29.222 Richard Jones: if you have someone 28 00:04:33.102 --> 00:04:35.182 Richard Jones: yeah. that's what it's about. 29 00:04:36.672 --> 00:04:43.992 Richard Jones: So it's more okay. If you don't have anybody who can start, or if you have a 6, 30 00:04:51.922 --> 00:04:55.462 Richard Jones: Thanks for Yeah. Yeah. 31 00:04:56.492 --> 00:04:59.032 Richard Jones: So 32 00:04:59.232 --> 00:05:08.662 Richard Jones: we have on the agenda for parking audiences. One is in the shuttle. One is a change to this will be from the 33 00:05:09.002 --> 00:05:22.982 Richard Jones: there. It would be any change in the current premise. Couple of changes, and fourth is very so. I hear differently. Why don't you start with 34 00:05:23.082 --> 00:05:36.992 Richard Jones: so reading it into the record. It basically changes that I've had to check through the 35 00:05:37.042 --> 00:05:47.452 Richard Jones: the one 36 00:05:47.592 --> 00:05:51.002 Richard Jones: that it doesn't need to. 37 00:05:56.572 --> 00:06:08.722 Richard Jones: So this reflects 38 00:06:09.102 --> 00:06:11.502 Richard Jones: recently is that 39 00:06:12.142 --> 00:06:20.162 Richard Jones: we have a number of people 40 00:06:20.302 --> 00:06:22.122 Richard Jones: who do not wish to buy. 41 00:06:25.582 --> 00:06:32.472 Richard Jones: and they park on side streets. Jason, we're running into. 42 00:06:32.492 --> 00:06:38.092 Richard Jones: and they 43 00:06:38.132 --> 00:06:41.402 Richard Jones: so they're 2 h. So 44 00:06:41.762 --> 00:06:50.412 Richard Jones: every 2 h 45 00:06:50.862 --> 00:06:56.922 Richard Jones: we don't have. So 46 00:06:57.112 --> 00:07:02.292 Richard Jones: they went, and it's kind of exhausting for that 47 00:07:02.362 --> 00:07:14.312 Richard Jones: what they should be doing is just by employing permit, which is 15 to 60 for a. 48 00:07:15.822 --> 00:07:19.622 Richard Jones: and they come to the corporate system. 49 00:07:19.652 --> 00:07:24.902 Richard Jones: It takes a lot of time. 50 00:07:24.952 --> 00:07:26.722 and we have 51 00:07:32.642 --> 00:07:33.472 Richard Jones: years. 52 00:07:34.062 --> 00:07:37.522 Richard Jones: So that's that. 53 00:07:38.302 --> 00:07:50.612 Richard Jones: I am sorry. A few things. I I think I definitely hear the rationale behind it. I think what the intention. 54 00:07:50.612 --> 00:08:04.532 Richard Jones: as you explain it, is to get people to really think. And these are maybe people who work in dash down. I'll be that are part of the day if they were to card. And and there's and you may send this one that was straight or a little bit away. 55 00:08:04.812 --> 00:08:13.742 Richard Jones: where there is not 56 00:08:13.762 --> 00:08:14.852 Richard Jones: so. 57 00:08:16.512 --> 00:08:23.372 Richard Jones: Besides, the issue of 58 00:08:23.922 --> 00:08:26.442 they also take that 59 00:08:26.722 --> 00:08:30.442 Richard Jones: much needed space for residents on the streets. 60 00:08:36.012 --> 00:08:41.192 Richard Jones: or any 61 00:08:41.592 --> 00:08:50.172 Richard Jones: how many. 62 00:09:01.882 --> 00:09:04.602 Richard Jones: Why? Because so much 63 00:09:05.242 --> 00:09:15.962 Richard Jones: so, I am definitely support my last. Oh, yeah, sorry. So 64 00:09:18.562 --> 00:09:20.812 Richard Jones: that was 65 00:09:21.182 --> 00:09:25.612 Richard Jones: because I have a 66 00:09:25.942 --> 00:09:27.382 Richard Jones: last week 67 00:09:27.992 --> 00:09:29.272 asking. 68 00:09:29.302 --> 00:09:41.122 Richard Jones: So it's been resistance from a number of people 69 00:09:41.142 --> 00:09:44.352 Richard Jones: all the 70 00:09:44.362 --> 00:09:47.632 Richard Jones: and then where does it Stop, I guess. 71 00:09:47.752 --> 00:09:52.712 Richard Jones: And so he goes his proposals, and he has done a 72 00:09:55.262 --> 00:09:59.882 Richard Jones: and so 73 00:09:59.922 --> 00:10:07.512 Richard Jones: is okay. If it starts. It's all at the Middle Street all the way on the 74 00:10:07.602 --> 00:10:11.352 the Us. Side on the east Side and back to the 75 00:10:15.412 --> 00:10:17.472 Richard Jones: Don. I'm just gonna say it's a sign. 76 00:10:30.732 --> 00:10:31.702 Richard Jones: So 77 00:10:32.352 --> 00:10:35.062 Richard Jones: that's that's 78 00:10:35.312 --> 00:10:51.172 Richard Jones: he was going to talk to the 79 00:10:51.222 --> 00:10:53.302 Richard Jones: and then here. 80 00:10:57.862 --> 00:11:02.302 Richard Jones: Okay. So I don't know it's a it's kind of 81 00:11:02.372 --> 00:11:14.592 Richard Jones: So just saying I think it's on this one here, the changing of the part position from one space to another. So when in terms of the enforcement, or the argument having to see that hang out. 82 00:11:14.792 --> 00:11:27.262 Richard Jones: It's written intentionally to 3 scandal lots, and right. So whether it's 2 h, 3 h in the loss, it would. Still it. Re: that's one from moving the vehicle in the same Pacific. 83 00:11:29.212 --> 00:11:30.022 Richard Jones: So 84 00:11:30.722 --> 00:11:50.192 Richard Jones: I have a question, maybe 2 different things that you can buy. One was just 85 00:11:50.332 --> 00:11:51.622 Richard Jones: Yeah. 86 00:12:00.972 --> 00:12:13.242 Richard Jones: if I say, you know it's one's face, but it's definitely one's based on that right? So it's like we should say from one space to another, you know 87 00:12:23.242 --> 00:12:34.312 Richard Jones: the other one? I yeah, I just had a question about the adult, you know again 88 00:12:34.712 --> 00:12:54.292 Richard Jones: that. But my only question, I guess, was: we are here, and probably is the logical sense between one parking lot having an issue where I have the same blocking on an issue. I just wonder, as the question is, is an entire month of roadway. Should that be the first one? Of course there's one another 3 min of distance 89 00:12:54.352 --> 00:13:12.062 Richard Jones: in the future, you know, because if it's way up between somewhere else, does that through that? Maybe it's still. I mean again, what is the intent is to stop the shopping. So if you are on 90 00:13:12.112 --> 00:13:13.232 fishing. 91 00:13:13.372 --> 00:13:25.602 Richard Jones: and you're at that end, and you find a space down your stage, you go out and find it, and you move forward to the other. Is that really solve the problem from our perspective? 92 00:13:25.842 --> 00:13:27.612 Richard Jones: No. the 93 00:13:28.202 --> 00:13:49.212 Richard Jones: I guess what i'm asking is just sort of a general question is, is a one. That's a long street. You're doing it one or 3 or the other. Is that still? 94 00:13:49.212 --> 00:13:50.192 Yeah. 95 00:13:50.672 --> 00:14:04.442 Richard Jones: yes, I think it is. I think it. There's a concept that I don't know that it's implicitly, because the parking system, because it needs to be right. So we made a 96 00:14:04.452 --> 00:14:14.152 Richard Jones: conditioning this, and to find the vicinity within. Let's just say 8 basic or 100 yards. Then 97 00:14:14.242 --> 00:14:31.372 Richard Jones: you know my parking options. They're great. They're confident they're certainly smart and larger than I am most of the time, but they do not have my key, and they don't need to start, you know. They should be able to just. 98 00:14:35.211 --> 00:14:53.192 Richard Jones: Yes, i'm sure. They're probably looking around the at our end as far as here earlier. They moved here. I mean, are they taking pictures? How does it work? Yeah, they don't do it by members. Generally they have, an 99 00:14:53.282 --> 00:14:54.512 Richard Jones: which is 100 00:14:55.932 --> 00:14:57.552 Richard Jones: I'm making that. 101 00:14:58.182 --> 00:15:03.912 Richard Jones: In other words, it it'll drive on. 102 00:15:03.952 --> 00:15:10.202 Richard Jones: You know 103 00:15:10.442 --> 00:15:15.282 Richard Jones: they can buy 2 h, and a half later they go 104 00:15:31.052 --> 00:15:36.252 Richard Jones: what they use to. 105 00:15:51.992 --> 00:15:59.052 Richard Jones: So a a couple of 106 00:15:59.182 --> 00:16:16.432 Richard Jones: shuffling the the second piece under 13 that 166, which was kind of confusing the double underlying. 107 00:16:38.622 --> 00:16:55.952 Richard Jones: My one thing is, i'm wondering, and this is what when I look to see what other community actually says, and specify with all my current work day, and like 96 Monday. And i'm wondering if that's something that 108 00:16:56.132 --> 00:17:14.122 Richard Jones: and i'm trying to remember without parking 2 h. It's on Saturday as well, but so 109 00:17:16.842 --> 00:17:24.432 Richard Jones: so if if the concept is to stop. 110 00:17:25.632 --> 00:17:28.022 Richard Jones: then I don't think we can. 111 00:17:28.532 --> 00:17:29.282 You see 112 00:17:29.722 --> 00:17:30.962 Richard Jones: you think so? 113 00:17:32.082 --> 00:17:35.612 Richard Jones: We don't, we don't. 114 00:18:02.492 --> 00:18:18.662 Richard Jones: and that's new this year. Because residents ask for. 115 00:18:18.812 --> 00:18:30.352 Richard Jones: So that's why I started. This is the first year we're gonna see how the how it works on Sunday. We don't do holidays, but the 116 00:18:30.432 --> 00:18:31.352 Richard Jones: so 117 00:18:32.352 --> 00:18:38.352 Richard Jones: if it does not work. or if you 118 00:18:49.052 --> 00:18:56.912 Richard Jones: yeah. 119 00:18:57.442 --> 00:19:01.432 Richard Jones: let folks know about this this kind of thing. 120 00:19:01.502 --> 00:19:11.772 Richard Jones: I: 121 00:19:11.842 --> 00:19:12.522 Okay. 122 00:19:14.702 --> 00:19:16.222 Richard Jones: we're right at first 123 00:19:16.422 --> 00:19:19.762 Richard Jones: ticket, I hope, will be a morning with a note on it 124 00:19:20.202 --> 00:19:27.232 Richard Jones: that you can't. and there's 2. 125 00:19:33.972 --> 00:19:38.242 Richard Jones: They 126 00:19:40.262 --> 00:19:41.802 okay. 127 00:19:42.672 --> 00:19:44.972 Richard Jones: Is that what we don't? Do 128 00:19:45.352 --> 00:19:53.362 Richard Jones: you don't do 129 00:19:54.702 --> 00:20:04.182 Richard Jones: on the hey? You should go aside trying to think of it. 130 00:20:09.962 --> 00:20:14.022 Richard Jones: I would be to add signage on State Street, or anything but for the lots 131 00:20:15.432 --> 00:20:18.312 Richard Jones: we have on occasion. 132 00:20:20.422 --> 00:20:29.062 Richard Jones: for example. 133 00:20:34.462 --> 00:20:47.032 Richard Jones: So maybe we should do this one at a time. 134 00:20:54.342 --> 00:20:55.352 Richard Jones: that it 135 00:21:02.442 --> 00:21:07.182 Richard Jones: next. 136 00:21:13.522 --> 00:21:15.532 Richard Jones: So 137 00:21:18.002 --> 00:21:26.032 Richard Jones: The first change is in the second block gang, which changes the cost of an employee. 138 00:21:28.592 --> 00:21:31.682 Richard Jones: A couple of reasons behind that one is 139 00:21:41.462 --> 00:21:49.492 Richard Jones: in this time, and including the so we're proposing again in the interest of simplicity. 140 00:21:49.552 --> 00:21:53.672 Richard Jones: I have 2 different. 141 00:21:59.722 --> 00:22:03.742 Richard Jones: and I don't think 142 00:22:04.302 --> 00:22:07.072 Richard Jones: because what I just said is. 143 00:22:12.912 --> 00:22:13.482 Yes. 144 00:22:15.292 --> 00:22:15.922 Richard Jones: okay. 145 00:22:16.702 --> 00:22:25.042 Richard Jones: There's also some benefit. It seems to me it's actually trying to migrate some of those cars to the garage right. 146 00:22:25.672 --> 00:22:29.172 Richard Jones: because we're Lucy spaces 147 00:22:30.622 --> 00:22:41.542 Richard Jones: the and people will drive around trying to 148 00:22:41.742 --> 00:22:54.662 Richard Jones: It's almost. It's only. But I do. We send our employees so the big 2 to the route. But then that will be visitor, you know, customer party as most as possible. Yeah. So yeah. 149 00:22:54.932 --> 00:23:04.972 Richard Jones: So that's that. So the has always been 150 00:23:07.012 --> 00:23:16.992 Richard Jones: the resident and not so One of the things I can have. 151 00:23:19.142 --> 00:23:24.442 Richard Jones: Oh, we had $50, which I remember when we did that we taken that out. 152 00:23:30.832 --> 00:23:34.582 Richard Jones: and I still don't understand why, for employees only 153 00:23:38.832 --> 00:23:39.902 Richard Jones: there are other 154 00:23:41.492 --> 00:23:48.192 Richard Jones: actually. Then the tide with the resident monthly once monthly, once 155 00:23:48.252 --> 00:23:50.042 Richard Jones: there's no 156 00:23:53.262 --> 00:23:55.992 Richard Jones: i'm not sure what. 157 00:23:56.062 --> 00:24:14.762 Richard Jones: Well, no. I guess the rationale that you explain is the reason I've heard. One thing is to have employee 158 00:24:14.862 --> 00:24:16.882 Richard Jones: 4 used to be for you 159 00:24:18.552 --> 00:24:23.432 Richard Jones: for an employee in the service wall, not there. 160 00:24:24.062 --> 00:24:26.142 Richard Jones: and the 161 00:24:31.022 --> 00:24:34.152 Richard Jones: we're getting rid of a separate reporting permit. 162 00:24:34.182 --> 00:24:46.042 Richard Jones: That would be just been 163 00:24:46.522 --> 00:24:48.212 Richard Jones: outstanding right now. 164 00:24:52.202 --> 00:25:03.212 Richard Jones: We have a at this point. 8. 3 resident permit will allow someone in testing Street with our 1 2 3 cars 165 00:25:03.712 --> 00:25:06.132 Richard Jones: on the street 166 00:25:06.472 --> 00:25:08.622 Richard Jones: great. So that means 167 00:25:08.832 --> 00:25:25.762 Richard Jones: we have to incur the cost of the decision permit, which is about $3. We have to. You know it's time this costs, so they get their even of those wherever that number is, and if that's where so we have right now, in terms of street. 168 00:25:26.172 --> 00:25:30.592 Richard Jones: we have 434 residents. 169 00:25:30.602 --> 00:25:40.112 Richard Jones: We have a 182 visitor requirements. so 170 00:25:40.122 --> 00:25:42.682 Richard Jones: for being able to roll over. 171 00:25:43.022 --> 00:25:47.212 Richard Jones: We're proposing that, maybe 172 00:25:47.662 --> 00:25:57.132 Richard Jones: to i'm getting a little bit ahead of yourself. But we're expanding the number of 173 00:26:01.382 --> 00:26:06.182 Richard Jones: Do you remember the annual lottery for the 174 00:26:06.802 --> 00:26:08.172 Richard Jones: you can with that at all. 175 00:26:08.232 --> 00:26:16.102 Richard Jones: Right now on the for the changing there are 4 permits that are issued by our. 176 00:26:19.162 --> 00:26:21.802 Richard Jones: and they can. 177 00:26:22.742 --> 00:26:28.912 Richard Jones: So they take a valuable 178 00:26:29.132 --> 00:26:35.632 Richard Jones: so. and expand this street 179 00:26:35.712 --> 00:26:39.622 to include industry and all. By the way. 180 00:26:41.792 --> 00:26:46.142 Richard Jones: they never have the opportunity to have any street. 181 00:26:47.292 --> 00:26:49.422 Richard Jones: Maybe not. 182 00:26:49.612 --> 00:26:55.292 Richard Jones: I mean that we, as a municipal, they encourage people to come and go down to 183 00:26:56.602 --> 00:26:58.612 Richard Jones: this is that that's what we 184 00:26:58.902 --> 00:27:00.112 that I 185 00:27:00.302 --> 00:27:04.672 Richard Jones: but we never. 186 00:27:05.332 --> 00:27:16.942 Richard Jones: What we did is so we're proposing, and it's caused a lot of consternation with those people. 187 00:27:17.032 --> 00:27:30.132 Richard Jones: They don't like it in the So what's their option is to walk from the water from you know where they get it or try to find a 188 00:27:32.072 --> 00:27:34.372 Richard Jones: yeah. That's cool. those are. 189 00:27:34.572 --> 00:27:39.062 Richard Jones: And certainly, if you live downtown, and you go 190 00:27:39.282 --> 00:27:40.122 Richard Jones: to. 191 00:27:44.262 --> 00:27:48.072 Richard Jones: So this is an attempt to 192 00:27:48.982 --> 00:28:00.892 Richard Jones: now. Why would we go from 0 to $10? Because a lot of the 432 permits Our people are just getting. 193 00:28:01.422 --> 00:28:03.822 Richard Jones: We want to reduce the number of. 194 00:28:03.862 --> 00:28:08.272 Richard Jones: and you don't want to do that and then supply you there. 195 00:28:16.752 --> 00:28:18.072 Richard Jones: Any question 196 00:28:44.522 --> 00:28:46.612 Richard Jones: block spaces and rocky, and 197 00:28:49.862 --> 00:28:54.122 Richard Jones: because of the 198 00:28:54.142 --> 00:29:05.112 Richard Jones: what we have then. 199 00:29:05.452 --> 00:29:07.342 Richard Jones: and because of 200 00:29:10.382 --> 00:29:21.192 Richard Jones: a couple of different projects, one being the 201 00:29:21.522 --> 00:29:31.122 Richard Jones: which 202 00:29:32.102 --> 00:29:42.552 Richard Jones: 3 2 65, 1 60. This something will be 60 to 7 space. See the dramatic loss. Even the people 203 00:29:44.792 --> 00:29:50.712 Richard Jones: who, by a president burn it on in street won't be able to find in place. 204 00:29:54.342 --> 00:29:56.662 Richard Jones: Yes. 205 00:29:56.972 --> 00:30:14.792 Richard Jones: yeah. 206 00:30:14.792 --> 00:30:29.642 Richard Jones: yeah, I'm: I'm: sure you will get some 207 00:30:44.182 --> 00:30:55.172 Richard Jones: sounds good. Yeah. 208 00:30:58.532 --> 00:31:00.632 we have 209 00:31:00.712 --> 00:31:02.262 Richard Jones: one person at all. 210 00:31:02.362 --> 00:31:13.692 Richard Jones: So we reduce that to. 211 00:31:14.062 --> 00:31:14.692 and 212 00:31:17.692 --> 00:31:24.242 Richard Jones: so that would be that, and then going with that, and then you would 213 00:31:24.332 --> 00:31:26.051 Richard Jones: share. 214 00:31:26.152 --> 00:31:36.412 Richard Jones: So it's 35 to $10 to also that at the present moment we're right to a 3 digital business that we used to have. 215 00:31:36.442 --> 00:31:47.962 Richard Jones: We've done a way to go because those became. They get out of jail free part. In other words, you do have one and a friend, and work downtown a lot of people do. 216 00:31:51.422 --> 00:31:54.102 Richard Jones: and to their partner so 217 00:31:57.402 --> 00:31:59.102 Richard Jones: so 218 00:32:01.042 --> 00:32:18.772 Richard Jones: their digital. A lot of people use them a lot of people using repeatedly. And of your son, May, I said. which is why 219 00:32:25.782 --> 00:32:31.102 Richard Jones: I I sound J. Because because I have to come, because in talking, if you 220 00:32:31.732 --> 00:32:34.462 Richard Jones: give someone the opportunity to be that they did. 221 00:32:36.782 --> 00:32:47.882 Richard Jones: I think in the I'm. The employee one, if you and some numbers will help like, how many currently, how many 222 00:32:48.242 --> 00:33:04.912 Richard Jones: have we? 223 00:33:06.162 --> 00:33:16.832 Richard Jones: And then 224 00:33:21.772 --> 00:33:24.602 Richard Jones: 292. 225 00:33:24.862 --> 00:33:25.512 Yeah. 226 00:33:26.742 --> 00:33:30.142 Richard Jones: And keep in mind most days we have. 227 00:33:36.422 --> 00:33:50.602 Richard Jones: you know. 228 00:33:50.722 --> 00:33:54.552 Richard Jones: Okay. 229 00:33:54.642 --> 00:34:05.232 Richard Jones: So I think that is the 230 00:34:08.122 --> 00:34:08.772 Richard Jones: Okay. 231 00:34:08.892 --> 00:34:10.862 Richard Jones: 2 s. 232 00:34:13.772 --> 00:34:17.722 Richard Jones: So 233 00:34:43.882 --> 00:34:52.252 Richard Jones: that would be one that starts with a chapter. 234 00:34:55.732 --> 00:35:04.482 Richard Jones: So you'll see. There's a couple of changes. One is the definitions for section one. 235 00:35:04.552 --> 00:35:16.792 Richard Jones: It's, it's, it's, it's it's it's, it's, it's, it's it's, it's, it's. 236 00:35:16.922 --> 00:35:24.422 Richard Jones: from the south east side, of Liberty Street to the northerly side of Charter Street. 237 00:35:28.832 --> 00:35:39.022 Richard Jones: So let me picture that. So we're talking. The Brian foul added inside. and it starts at 238 00:35:39.832 --> 00:35:47.892 Richard Jones: Lydia street, so it's some of the side that we should be the side, not the Starbucks side, but the Jeweler side. 239 00:35:47.962 --> 00:35:51.312 Richard Jones: and then it was running all the way up to the 240 00:35:51.372 --> 00:35:56.812 Richard Jones: not on the side of 241 00:35:57.382 --> 00:36:05.332 Richard Jones: Then Jay continues by adding stage 3 to the mixture, and 242 00:36:08.042 --> 00:36:12.452 Richard Jones: it says the in case of 243 00:36:15.752 --> 00:36:22.652 Richard Jones: that, those are the 4 lottery station that we have currently. 244 00:36:22.712 --> 00:36:24.202 Richard Jones: Yeah, at least so. 245 00:36:28.492 --> 00:36:34.692 Richard Jones: And 246 00:36:55.142 --> 00:36:59.032 Richard Jones: what it looks more confusing than it is, it says 247 00:36:59.382 --> 00:37:03.972 then in the census parcels. 248 00:37:04.012 --> 00:37:14.922 Richard Jones: That's the playground, and the so it does not. It's important to some of one place, which is that very large 249 00:37:17.702 --> 00:37:20.562 Richard Jones: on the north side of the street. 250 00:37:23.502 --> 00:37:34.922 Richard Jones: But other than that, they're straightforward. It's everything on stage screen. It would be my 251 00:37:36.262 --> 00:37:38.512 Richard Jones: because of 252 00:37:38.602 --> 00:37:49.832 Richard Jones: it became very confusing as we started so many parcels, and then we decided to go with street addresses, and they got even more confusing. So we just went to. 253 00:38:01.322 --> 00:38:16.992 Richard Jones: Okay. Is there a 254 00:38:16.992 --> 00:38:23.722 Richard Jones: and things like that? 255 00:38:24.772 --> 00:38:43.822 Richard Jones: We have to hand out that doesn't 256 00:38:43.822 --> 00:38:45.492 you still have. 257 00:38:45.542 --> 00:38:55.952 Richard Jones: We still have an active in the and and performance because they are still some got you such as 258 00:38:55.962 --> 00:39:02.522 Richard Jones: you know. 259 00:39:06.012 --> 00:39:08.422 Richard Jones: So that is. 260 00:39:08.562 --> 00:39:10.832 that's it in the nutshell. 261 00:39:12.412 --> 00:39:20.912 Richard Jones: This one I don't think it's one of the 4 mainstream. you know the 262 00:39:25.962 --> 00:39:27.342 Richard Jones: and 263 00:39:30.722 --> 00:39:31.322 Richard Jones: yeah. 264 00:39:47.132 --> 00:39:52.572 Richard Jones: the 265 00:39:53.972 --> 00:39:57.572 Richard Jones: to see exactly how. 266 00:40:01.462 --> 00:40:14.442 Richard Jones: Because you're calling in 3 class states, 3 at that session, just making sure anywhere else that, or how we can find these areas. I need to be 267 00:40:15.152 --> 00:40:17.842 Richard Jones: okay. 268 00:40:25.022 --> 00:40:26.032 Richard Jones: Yes. 269 00:40:45.372 --> 00:40:59.572 Richard Jones: I removed. So I've got a 270 00:41:00.152 --> 00:41:12.872 Richard Jones: Michelle. Whether it could be one may, whether or any kind of stipulation or or 271 00:41:12.872 --> 00:41:31.972 Richard Jones: the reason for this is that you should shop down to your 272 00:41:38.942 --> 00:41:39.912 Richard Jones: Yeah. 273 00:41:40.032 --> 00:41:49.732 Richard Jones: Yes, and that same sentence chef shell issue residential street parking permits. 274 00:42:11.962 --> 00:42:13.572 Richard Jones: Yes. 275 00:42:17.972 --> 00:42:18.982 Richard Jones: yeah. 276 00:42:24.662 --> 00:42:26.072 Richard Jones: Oh, that 277 00:42:28.392 --> 00:42:29.532 Richard Jones: so 278 00:42:44.582 --> 00:42:53.832 Richard Jones: the last one right 279 00:42:53.992 --> 00:42:57.262 that we're under Jane. 280 00:43:33.762 --> 00:43:35.002 Richard Jones: Yes. 281 00:43:37.062 --> 00:43:46.422 Richard Jones: so that leads us to we should So the last one which is over my party, which is section 13 here, 1, 83, yes. 282 00:43:46.752 --> 00:44:02.482 Richard Jones: proposing a which said, it shall be unlawful for any person that we would be able to in this whole lot overnight. A little background to that for years about that case, and the kind of robots always have that on the science 283 00:44:02.882 --> 00:44:07.522 Richard Jones: we didn't know. Does that need to be told out of the lots. No. 284 00:44:07.532 --> 00:44:25.022 Richard Jones: Does it give us leverage when we are being pulls in? It takes up for space, and they don't want to pay on reservation 285 00:44:25.242 --> 00:44:27.252 Richard Jones: to people back in. Yes. 286 00:44:27.392 --> 00:44:30.912 Richard Jones: so it's really qualifying what 287 00:44:32.032 --> 00:44:39.892 Richard Jones: must have been a regulation. We should go with a lot in the last year. 288 00:44:40.242 --> 00:44:44.782 Richard Jones: and oh. 289 00:44:46.032 --> 00:44:49.482 Richard Jones: which I have. 290 00:44:49.482 --> 00:45:12.882 Richard Jones: It was possible praising your mayor and I want to add this like I suggested in this room. I actually wanted to start with something. It's sort of a broader, full, soft little policy question, which is, and I don't Customer College with this, because it kind of recently, in some way for their their partner needs. 291 00:45:12.882 --> 00:45:24.352 Richard Jones: But I guess my question here is, what is the what's the rationale of the purpose we're serving by not having any 292 00:45:24.442 --> 00:45:37.842 Richard Jones: like that. You know it's like that. It's just, you know. I'm just wondering if it's what's the only purpose that we're survey, because and others may what is the public purpose for some by saying, You know what we're like, partnering and vehicle. And the reason, I ask, that is because we've already had books. 293 00:45:38.042 --> 00:45:42.642 where otherwise we're saying, Well, you know, we want to consolidate. You know footprints. 294 00:45:43.092 --> 00:45:54.902 Richard Jones: Is there some ration that I would want to double share, at least prior to what the cards are basically overnight is the kids, are. 295 00:45:55.042 --> 00:46:02.992 Richard Jones: It's called So if you have a 296 00:46:03.442 --> 00:46:15.622 Richard Jones: in the the yeah. So then I use it all day and leave it all night 297 00:46:15.772 --> 00:46:19.592 Richard Jones: all day, you know there's still there. 298 00:46:19.692 --> 00:46:24.812 Richard Jones: In other words, they're not people that the downtown 299 00:46:24.942 --> 00:46:25.992 Richard Jones: oh. 300 00:46:26.012 --> 00:46:48.862 Richard Jones: 2, 3 vehicles. They my question 301 00:46:48.862 --> 00:46:59.582 whether or not there's an impact on a marketing car. But I I just don't quite know. If can we clarify here, you know. Maybe also 302 00:46:59.592 --> 00:47:12.172 Richard Jones: the purpose we're serving by, where those vehicles may not otherwise be displacing anything in those water overnight. Is that actually a problem at all? So it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a 303 00:47:12.402 --> 00:47:15.452 Richard Jones: be able to. 304 00:47:19.372 --> 00:47:20.122 Oh. 305 00:47:20.512 --> 00:47:25.702 Richard Jones: okay, i'm. I'm just 306 00:47:28.242 --> 00:47:59.072 Richard Jones: again. This is the single thing i'm in. which is so bad, because there's not a lot of parking in that 80. I'm not sure if that's a strategy, but that's what I'm asking. Is, is the sheer part of that space overnight 307 00:47:59.362 --> 00:48:03.052 Richard Jones: a problem. And so what is the problem that's caused by that? 308 00:48:08.642 --> 00:48:10.592 Richard Jones: And then. 309 00:48:12.692 --> 00:48:14.102 Yeah. So 310 00:48:14.302 --> 00:48:17.132 Richard Jones: this is one more piece missing from this. 311 00:48:17.222 --> 00:48:19.072 But the answer is 312 00:48:19.092 --> 00:48:35.752 Richard Jones: so. The rest of the city is subsidizing parking for those people who live in downtown right? That's a development. That's all of that right. So my residents don't get free parking or free, whatever 313 00:48:35.752 --> 00:48:54.672 Richard Jones: it's. One thing we gave them all free parking for for whatever. But we don't, we don't get free parking, even though we don't live on time right? And so you can argue it's not causing the problem, but it's also giving way public benefit. For free to that, something is primarily. 314 00:48:54.812 --> 00:49:08.862 Richard Jones: I think, the other shoot we want to drop right, which is part of the it, conversation and all that is to take one of these lots and as a pilot and turn it into a an overnight lot 315 00:49:08.882 --> 00:49:10.112 Richard Jones: for a fee. 316 00:49:10.372 --> 00:49:15.522 you know. I mean in business. See? Like 317 00:49:15.632 --> 00:49:17.562 Richard Jones: 3 to $400 318 00:49:17.682 --> 00:49:19.212 Richard Jones: month fee 319 00:49:19.232 --> 00:49:22.212 for parking for a member of parking 320 00:49:22.722 --> 00:49:33.002 Richard Jones: program is built for red for tourists and supporting business and employees coming downtown, so it literally is an overnight. 321 00:49:33.152 --> 00:49:42.542 Richard Jones: the as opposed to there, and you know we can get people there if you have to clean up all this other. 322 00:49:42.542 --> 00:50:01.922 Richard Jones: that kind of get there got it. So there is a contemplation of along that. It's early point. Just not that as a subsidy, but actually being paid for the use of that. Okay, got it as well again to the issue of is the parking the issue, or is it just the fact that you know it's it's not being compensated for the usage of that. 323 00:50:01.922 --> 00:50:08.292 Yeah, I I think it's a had a big deal with, and and to validate. The first point 324 00:50:08.302 --> 00:50:22.792 Richard Jones: is that you can drive out to the Cj. Parking ride. and it's half full right now. Yeah of. And there's been a truck that Hasn't moved since March. It's been. It's a trouble with the you know. Yeah, you notice it. 325 00:50:23.002 --> 00:50:26.522 Richard Jones: And so that's where the storage of cars is going now. 326 00:50:32.912 --> 00:50:40.362 Richard Jones: So we did a very actual survey, and I would. 327 00:50:59.132 --> 00:51:10.232 Richard Jones: That's why you ask many people when they so 328 00:51:10.362 --> 00:51:13.302 Richard Jones: because people just. 329 00:51:20.212 --> 00:51:32.822 Richard Jones: But there's nothing that on the books that says that's not okay. I'm all I was trying to get a voice. Is it the overnight parking, or is it the back of the 330 00:51:32.822 --> 00:51:50.332 Richard Jones: so, and then to that point the 331 00:51:50.332 --> 00:52:09.692 Richard Jones: And 332 00:52:09.692 --> 00:52:15.192 Richard Jones: so 333 00:52:18.482 --> 00:52:22.562 Richard Jones: people now that have oh. 334 00:52:23.332 --> 00:52:25.102 Richard Jones: last week 335 00:52:25.422 --> 00:52:37.812 Richard Jones: in 2 different case, and we have no office. we're certainly. It sounds like part of the argument here is, you know, even though you could clarify something. It says, you know. 336 00:52:37.902 --> 00:53:01.662 Richard Jones: you know, parking over X 5 as long as you get your crime there. The problem is, I think you see this on a regular basis. Right is the back end of our how much that it said in here, the practical, that, and so because they believe in their power. There you have a constant issue of trying to get those cards out of there. They're not comfortable with it. It's just not practical. Maybe it's from your end. It's like it's been practical to try to force that as part of the issue. 337 00:53:01.732 --> 00:53:13.422 Richard Jones: get people to call 338 00:53:13.422 --> 00:53:34.562 Richard Jones: the stacking up of cars right now because of the even the construction from national, they've had to use it with the with the shanties where they they had to use parking lot as their staging area and storage area. So the cost, like 1518 spots really bad because of that. 339 00:53:34.562 --> 00:53:37.882 Richard Jones: So most people 340 00:53:37.922 --> 00:53:50.862 Richard Jones: shuffle into the cars to another one where employees use the car, and so it doesn't it the numbers. It. It's amazing that number of like 20 341 00:53:50.902 --> 00:54:00.012 Richard Jones: can all of a sudden skewed parking to that degree that quickly, right. And and I think that's they don't have. Those are. 342 00:54:00.092 --> 00:54:04.942 Richard Jones: and it may be controversial. 343 00:54:04.972 --> 00:54:10.152 Richard Jones: We, you know, details the details of one D, and how you leave, and all that stuff, but they don't have much. 344 00:54:10.212 --> 00:54:13.772 Richard Jones: Yeah, and if we're looking for downtown 345 00:54:13.792 --> 00:54:26.072 Richard Jones: to kind of be developed. then the it for residential was a failure, as it didn't find the spots for them right. And so this is the way they find them. 346 00:54:26.112 --> 00:54:33.602 Richard Jones: They come with the this should cost, etc., but they they're right now. They don't have any option to 347 00:54:34.192 --> 00:54:35.092 at least. 348 00:54:37.022 --> 00:54:43.832 Richard Jones: Yeah. Oh, sorry. I just have one comment on this. I don't think 349 00:54:44.422 --> 00:54:58.302 Richard Jones: so. I I do think it should be in the 181, because I've actually had about 21. Someone had a trailer on the street because and and all the way the trailers. 350 00:54:58.332 --> 00:55:15.242 Richard Jones: This one I think, is under 351 00:55:25.552 --> 00:55:26.212 for you. 352 00:55:26.892 --> 00:55:37.202 Richard Jones: Brandon. I you know the the thinking was that we would put all overnight parking in section. 353 00:55:37.332 --> 00:55:44.942 Richard Jones: So 354 00:55:45.292 --> 00:55:48.092 Richard Jones: is that what? Okay. 355 00:55:51.432 --> 00:55:56.782 Richard Jones: I mean, I guess it would be good to be clear. Oh, sorry. 1 82 is between. 356 00:55:57.402 --> 00:55:59.252 Richard Jones: Okay. 357 00:55:59.352 --> 00:56:12.312 Richard Jones: i'm change right? So sometimes my proposal we get down to 358 00:56:12.512 --> 00:56:15.542 Richard Jones: hey? Correct? 359 00:56:15.802 --> 00:56:16.562 Okay. 360 00:56:18.562 --> 00:56:21.822 Richard Jones: So do you need a 361 00:56:29.642 --> 00:56:30.532 Richard Jones: Probably not. 362 00:56:30.572 --> 00:56:42.072 Richard Jones: Let's see. You put that for a minute. First of all, we did talk about the. 363 00:56:42.212 --> 00:56:46.782 Richard Jones: and we also regulated the fees on your 364 00:56:46.792 --> 00:56:49.872 even though it's being 365 00:56:53.142 --> 00:57:04.272 Richard Jones: well. Then, look where it makes sense. But then be mindful of those 2. That's what they need to. Right now and then we have to define what it is. 366 00:57:08.722 --> 00:57:13.292 Richard Jones: We do have a definition 367 00:57:28.412 --> 00:57:29.882 Richard Jones: so that one 368 00:57:37.402 --> 00:57:40.222 Richard Jones: anyone have any. Maybe I should ask 369 00:57:42.572 --> 00:57:53.142 Richard Jones: it's, it's it's it's it's it's, it's it's it's it's, it's, it's it's it's a bigger. 370 00:57:53.172 --> 00:57:55.852 Richard Jones: to try to prevent this 371 00:57:56.152 --> 00:58:03.722 Richard Jones: that's an issue I think there's other ways to deal with that rather than 372 00:58:03.862 --> 00:58:07.972 Richard Jones: just. and that's what I I can understand in the case. 373 00:58:08.412 --> 00:58:17.632 Richard Jones: I just want to make sure that we're also we're talking about where there's some kind of a program you can set up that. 374 00:58:26.882 --> 00:58:40.552 Richard Jones: So this there will be more discussion about this one place to air ideas and to get your feedback. And my my sense is that generally the full changes. 375 00:58:44.392 --> 00:58:46.762 Richard Jones: This cushion park fall into this. 376 00:58:48.942 --> 00:58:54.422 Richard Jones: No, yeah, that's that's always been. 377 00:58:57.952 --> 00:59:02.062 Richard Jones: I was just thinking, because I know there's 378 00:59:13.462 --> 00:59:14.852 Richard Jones: 27 years 379 00:59:21.262 --> 00:59:23.252 Richard Jones: one of the 380 00:59:36.812 --> 00:59:38.932 Richard Jones: and the users are 381 00:59:43.892 --> 00:59:44.472 Yeah. 382 00:59:46.012 --> 00:59:49.402 Richard Jones: So yes, I I 383 00:59:49.462 --> 00:59:54.772 Richard Jones: I have a quote before you end. I have a question for the advisory Committee. 384 00:59:54.932 --> 01:00:01.052 Richard Jones: Okay, so they can be 385 01:00:04.882 --> 01:00:08.702 Richard Jones: any. What else 386 01:00:29.362 --> 01:00:34.172 Richard Jones: dates from that climate state. Would you just kind of also kind of 387 01:00:34.262 --> 01:00:40.582 Richard Jones: keeping your mind in the gender, that also people are pushing to the streets 388 01:00:40.882 --> 01:00:44.872 Richard Jones: and leaving cars. Whether they're 389 01:00:45.412 --> 01:01:04.342 Richard Jones: they have full cards they live on. I know they live on Jackson Street. They have them for 2. So then they turn around and pop their cars on Oakland Street, because it's wider, but they take up somebody else's space in front of their house. So every time you go to have a delivery every time you 390 01:01:04.342 --> 01:01:09.442 Richard Jones: need to get somebody in and out of the car. There's no space in front of your house 391 01:01:09.522 --> 01:01:22.792 Richard Jones: to do that. So I think it's becoming a problem everywhere that people are trying to find a spot to dump those extra cards from lack of a in a description. So as you 392 01:01:23.682 --> 01:01:32.942 Richard Jones: get the downtown that I would keep that in the back of your mind and kind of spread it out because it it just is. It is an issue I would 393 01:01:33.012 --> 01:01:39.052 Richard Jones: you can, my mated response. It's a no problem. 394 01:01:39.252 --> 01:01:46.142 Richard Jones: It's very difficult to address this. Some people. 395 01:01:46.182 --> 01:01:52.082 you know 396 01:01:52.572 --> 01:02:09.872 Richard Jones: negative calls and says they can't park that, but it's a public way. I'm not just saying one day, i'm talking, and in this instance they're like 20 days, and it doesn't move. No, the answer that same issue. It's very hard to regularly. 397 01:02:19.922 --> 01:02:20.772 Bye. 398 01:02:20.942 --> 01:02:26.902 Richard Jones: But there are 399 01:02:27.302 --> 01:02:28.262 Richard Jones: Oh. 400 01:02:30.172 --> 01:02:32.092 Richard Jones: and there are. 401 01:02:41.642 --> 01:02:42.812 Richard Jones: and 402 01:02:44.902 --> 01:02:46.742 Richard Jones: what you 403 01:02:47.182 --> 01:02:53.092 Richard Jones: okay. 404 01:02:53.252 --> 01:03:00.312 Richard Jones: We had that situation that we had on Spring Street. and we eventually said. 405 01:03:00.322 --> 01:03:04.332 Richard Jones: you're gonna have your street 406 01:03:04.372 --> 01:03:08.232 Richard Jones: because you 407 01:03:08.732 --> 01:03:13.062 Richard Jones: it's so big 408 01:03:13.132 --> 01:03:17.632 Richard Jones: when they look up. 409 01:03:18.472 --> 01:03:22.782 Richard Jones: Yeah, okay, just to try. 410 01:03:25.022 --> 01:03:25.812 Richard Jones: Hello. 411 01:03:27.062 --> 01:03:37.142 Richard Jones: So I think that leads us to our last one 412 01:03:37.542 --> 01:03:38.452 Richard Jones: second. 413 01:03:44.322 --> 01:03:45.382 Richard Jones: So 414 01:03:45.512 --> 01:03:57.912 Richard Jones: yeah, I have a question for the community. So we we I did kind of let out what we're trying to think about in phase 2 about trying to do a pilot, let's say in the 415 01:03:57.982 --> 01:04:12.102 Richard Jones: in, in the the question is, do you think it is worthwhile to put that together? At the same time as these 4 phase, one in phase, 2 at the same time. So it is not to. 416 01:04:12.152 --> 01:04:29.602 Richard Jones: you know 417 01:04:29.602 --> 01:04:36.262 Richard Jones: you overnight 418 01:04:36.552 --> 01:04:55.042 Richard Jones: with the small and the more controllable. Yeah, you you know, we don't necessarily think it's gonna be a 100 people looking for a spots like that. But they maybe. But how do you regulate it? Right? So the point details matter here the details kind of hard. So 419 01:04:55.042 --> 01:05:04.922 Richard Jones: how do you park overnight? But then, at what time do you have to move your car right? Because then you just 420 01:05:05.352 --> 01:05:10.382 Richard Jones: you You don't. 421 01:05:10.572 --> 01:05:15.492 Richard Jones: Well, you know the regular box right in the 8. 422 01:05:23.732 --> 01:05:35.502 Richard Jones: Yeah. 423 01:05:36.432 --> 01:05:37.191 Hello. 424 01:05:37.561 --> 01:05:39.462 Richard Jones: alright. and so. 425 01:05:44.811 --> 01:05:47.292 Richard Jones: but pretty close 426 01:05:47.922 --> 01:06:04.422 Richard Jones: that that's one of the details that we really need to focus on, Like how you chuck you, how you move these cars in and out, or, you know, really, I think we can address it. But 427 01:06:07.811 --> 01:06:17.642 Richard Jones: it's it's started a frankly someone. and then during the 428 01:06:21.432 --> 01:06:25.691 Richard Jones: so. 429 01:06:41.502 --> 01:06:44.702 Richard Jones: But it's 430 01:06:45.101 --> 01:06:57.432 Richard Jones: somebody should be on the If if they're the community somewhere, they'd be gone right. I don't know 431 01:06:57.582 --> 01:07:04.122 Richard Jones: It's possible. And most people 432 01:07:15.082 --> 01:07:23.682 Richard Jones: Yes, and so that's good. 433 01:07:23.732 --> 01:07:36.942 Richard Jones: You know we have to even start it. Or say they'll do it later. But I think we should. 434 01:07:41.712 --> 01:07:43.032 Richard Jones: Yeah. 435 01:07:43.992 --> 01:07:56.232 Richard Jones: it's it's. 436 01:07:56.412 --> 01:07:58.962 Richard Jones: This is 437 01:07:58.992 --> 01:08:08.082 Richard Jones: crowding the the business. Maybe it works, but it doesn't. But at least there's another option. And 438 01:08:10.362 --> 01:08:16.332 Richard Jones: yeah 439 01:08:17.062 --> 01:08:26.112 Richard Jones: on the and that was 4 or 5 years ago on the 440 01:08:31.132 --> 01:08:32.032 in this. 441 01:08:33.502 --> 01:08:34.892 Richard Jones: Okay, Thank you. 442 01:08:53.772 --> 01:09:01.892 Richard Jones: Yes, I mean I have a 443 01:09:27.572 --> 01:09:29.702 Richard Jones: You want a second day for the next week. 444 01:09:31.232 --> 01:09:32.702 Richard Jones: Yes, so 445 01:09:33.502 --> 01:09:37.022 Richard Jones: I just 446 01:09:38.442 --> 01:09:42.932 Richard Jones: that the timeline. So these will go into committee 447 01:09:43.672 --> 01:09:49.562 Richard Jones: in the City Council. What would we discuss if we set it up? Let me 448 01:09:55.162 --> 01:09:57.782 Richard Jones: there, and we like to say 449 01:10:03.912 --> 01:10:05.032 Richard Jones: we. 450 01:10:09.732 --> 01:10:10.382 Richard Jones: Okay. 451 01:10:12.352 --> 01:10:19.392 Richard Jones: yes. 452 01:10:29.262 --> 01:10:32.102 Richard Jones: So if you want to say. 453 01:10:32.332 --> 01:10:36.692 Richard Jones: I would say, you probably want to do it before 454 01:10:43.032 --> 01:10:48.182 Richard Jones: if we have the appetite for it. So I was thinking. 455 01:10:50.562 --> 01:10:53.032 Richard Jones: 36 456 01:10:53.112 --> 01:10:57.632 Richard Jones: yeah Budget workshops, Tuesday and Thursday for the most part. 457 01:10:57.702 --> 01:10:58.912 Richard Jones: Exactly 458 01:10:59.232 --> 01:11:02.582 Richard Jones: so, I would say, maybe do a winter. 459 01:11:03.142 --> 01:11:06.032 Richard Jones: Could you get it bye? 460 01:11:19.462 --> 01:11:24.152 Richard Jones: You don't Not yet. 461 01:11:47.902 --> 01:11:48.792 so 462 01:11:48.922 --> 01:11:53.172 Richard Jones: it's 60 on the next day of 10, 463 01:11:53.962 --> 01:11:54.982 one of gender. 464 01:11:56.892 --> 01:12:00.492 And then 465 01:12:00.812 --> 01:12:04.492 Richard Jones: these 4. 466 01:12:14.642 --> 01:12:16.542 Richard Jones: Yeah. Sorry. 467 01:12:16.642 --> 01:12:20.382 I think it's possible to do 468 01:12:23.772 --> 01:12:39.992 Richard Jones: what is sorry it starts. 469 01:12:47.222 --> 01:12:57.172 Richard Jones: and they can be in committee waiting for the to discuss all once, and then you can then get in and out one that is 9 versions. 470 01:12:58.242 --> 01:13:00.302 Richard Jones: Yeah. 471 01:13:04.602 --> 01:13:06.472 Richard Jones: Yes. 472 01:13:06.652 --> 01:13:07.362 Richard Jones: yes. 473 01:13:11.052 --> 01:13:25.752 Richard Jones: So with that. 474 01:13:29.242 --> 01:13:29.972 Richard Jones: that is. 475 01:13:31.562 --> 01:13:35.722 Richard Jones: It's all. Thank you. Okay.